nieghboring fire fighter wrote on Jul 7, 2008 12:39 PM:
" You know I have read through every one of the posted comments, and it makes me sick that a small village, a nice place to live like West Salem, can have such selfishness amoung it's citizens. I hear people saying $18.00 is enough, to those people I ask have you ever been in a burning building and wrecked a shirt or a pair of pance because your protective clothing is not as good as it should be? And when your done have you ever tried to replace that pair of pants or shirt for $18.00? Try it before you cast one more stone about them making to much money or that there equipment is good enough. To all the WSFD I'm behind you and for all those who I may offend, try doing it with out the fire department! "
ISO rating wrote on Jun 24, 2008 3:43 PM:
" What is the rating in the village? "
To Understand this bubba wrote on Jun 24, 2008 2:51 PM:
" Maybe the list is not important to you. But as a taxpayer I would like to know what needs to be replaced and what the costs are going to be to replace the equipment! Oh by the way, I also think that the firefighters need a substantial raise! "
WSFD Wife wrote on Jun 24, 2008 2:21 PM:
" Oh, Bubba, you're kidding, right? How much is spent on parties and cookouts? For crying out loud, so there is one steak fry a year (no children allowed) and one family dinner a year. That's it. Give me a break. "
Understand this bubba wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:15 AM:
" Does it matter what equipment is not up to standard? NO, from a hammer to a turnout gear it must be replaced. Buildings need remodeling too, if you have something that is a small maintenance item now in terms of $$ that will progress to larger $$ in a period of time doesn't it make sense to fix it? I commend the WSFD for speaking out against this. WSFD is a not for profit organization, relying on donations, tax base, to provide $$ for equipment and everything else they use. Money raised from fundraisers is not enough to cover much, trust me on this one. Perhaps they should all just say to heck with it and turn in their pagers until this is resolved, then maybe ears and eyes would open up a bit more to hear and see what is reality vs what looks better on paper. "
Bubba wrote on Jun 24, 2008 4:43 AM:
" Let's have some specifics. What equipment is unsafe to use or not NFPA standard? What should have come first? Building remodeling or NFPA standard equipment? How much did the building remodeling go over budget to include all the office furniture that were forgot in the budget. We as district citizens get a great service from our fire district for a reasonable $. All parts of the district have elected members on the fire district board. Shouldn't the fire department personnel be communicating with their fire district board and not trying to poke at the Village with this letter. Since the letter states that some of the money from the firemen's dance is used to buy equipment, let's see how much is spent on equipment versus cookouts and parties. "
S wrote on Jun 23, 2008 5:23 PM:
" I think a few extra bucks to the fire department isn't too much to ask for to keep the village, as well as outlying areas safe is not too much to ask. As for the 18 bucks per call....big woo....it will put the gas back in their vehicles to get to and from the station. Just think what would ghappen if we didn't have a volunteer fire dept. I think we are getting off cheap. We could have to pasy, full wage, 24-7 for a regular fire dept. So I say, quit your complaining and feel blessed for what we have. I'm behind the WSFD all the way. "
Correct info to for your info wrote on Jun 22, 2008 1:15 PM:
" QUOTE: "by state law an employer must allow such individuals to leave their place of work to respond to any call, trust me, i am one and i know this for fact." Better check the law books. There is no law that protects an employee from their job for being late or leaving to respond to an emergency. Better get the info correct before posting. Here's the link for both federal and state legislation. Look at the 2 titles that say job protection. http://www.wi-state-firefighters.org/legislation.htm "
to for your info wrote on Jun 22, 2008 1:07 PM:
" Where in the state law books does it say that your employer MUST let you go if you are at work? I do not think that is true. "
for your info wrote on Jun 22, 2008 10:34 AM:
" If you want to say that the meager 18 bucks for a call is something to brag about then you need a kick in the head. also, by state law an employer must allow such individuals to leave their place of work to respond to any call, trust me, i am one and i know this for fact. realize that if this keeps up and the FD cannot operate, who will take care of your calls? mutual aid will mean longer response times to any and every call from neighboring departments, a huge rise in your home and businiess insurance, if you don't get booted. no one ever thinks of the consequences of their actions. sad. "
Real World wrote on Jun 21, 2008 10:46 AM:
" First they are not (a volunteer department) they are paid on call. Volunteer is a word out of the past,most departments in the part of the state are paid by the hour when they are on a call.Remember when the firefighter is called away from a real job they are off the clock, finding a employer to pay you when you are gone will not be easy. "
honest question wrote on Jun 21, 2008 10:05 AM:
" Has the time come to begin building a paid, full time fire department for the West Salem/Barre Mills area? "
WSFD Wife wrote on Jun 20, 2008 3:54 PM:
" As one of the WSFD wives, I'm appalled at the ignorance of some of our community members. There may be issues with pay, but the real concern here is the safety of our firefighters. How would you like your husband or wife to head into a blazing house fire with equipment and gear that is unsafe? Fortunately for you, my husband is willing to do that...with a wife and two small children at home who need him. You should be thankful to these men and help support their efforts to make firefighting as safe as possible. That's the real issue. "
curious wrote on Jun 20, 2008 9:32 AM:
" If we had side by side comparisons of budgets along with a list of the WSFD needs it would make more sense to everyone. There are lot of residents of the village that are just trying to educate themselves to better understand whole issue. I personally don't have a problem having my taxes raised if it betters our community and is justified. On the other hand I don't feel I have enough information at this point. "
re to curious wrote on Jun 20, 2008 7:24 AM:
" Side by side comparisons don't mean squat when you are working with equipment that does not even meet NFPA standard! Stone throwing? The time for that is about come and gone, some of these people that cut out the budget would not wise up no matter how big a rock bounced upside their heads! "
missing the point wrote on Jun 19, 2008 10:13 PM:
" to everyone who is saying it is only volunteer and they should quit complaining about not getting paid: the fact is that the firefighters were forced to give up money they already earned for fighting fires. how would you feel if your employer came up to you on pay day and said we dont have enough money to pay you your full paycheck so you are going to have to let us keep 25% of it?? none of these firefighters are under any contract so maybe the village board should decide what they are going to do when things get so bad all 36 firefighters turn in their pagers and quit. maybe they will have the village worker crew try and put out fires because we all know how hard they work... "
Typical Westsalemite wrote on Jun 19, 2008 9:42 PM:
" The "typical" West Salemite does not want an increase in taxes for any reason, but wants more, more, more in terms of services from local gov't and the schools. For God's sake, people - wake up! This is not 1950. If the fire department needs additional funding in order to keep your community safe, GIVE IT TO THEM. They are not going to get rich on their measley $18 per call. And to the smart aleck who said that the firefighters rely on that $18 as part of their budget, get real. $18 will buy you a few Happy Meals, but that's about it. I'd like to see just one of you complainers put your money where your mouth is and VOLUNTEER to fight fires in this community. It will never happen. God forbid West Salem should pull their heads out of the sand and support something for once. No, you'll just keep on complaining and showing the rest of the community what WS is all about. That's the "West Salem Way". Wow. "
curious wrote on Jun 19, 2008 7:41 PM:
" It would be nice to have some comparisons of other fire departments and their budgets (using departments with similar demograhics as West Salem). I would recomend that everyone quit the stone throwing until all the facts can be presented in a way that the typical West Salemite can understand them. Anybody?? "
what it will come to wrote on Jun 19, 2008 12:05 PM:
" To the West Salem Fire Dept, start charging an insane amount to respond to any call, then tack on per personnel, equipment, fuel, cost to pay workman's comp, etc. Start doing that and maybe they will open their eyes. Behind you all the way fellas! "
and another thing wrote on Jun 19, 2008 12:03 PM:
" you said it, 35 very very commendeable members of your community show up to help out because they want to make a difference, do they sit and whine at home about things like some of the posters on here? NO!!! They work with beat up, used up, older than should be used equipment and still get the job done!!!! That is great but it cannot do for long, the Village Board should go to a fire call or a drill and see for themselves what it is like. Bean counters, that is all that matters is that bottom line.....the worst part is the FD will still bail your rear out when it needs it regardless of how heartless you are. "
Re Good question wrote on Jun 19, 2008 11:59 AM:
" How can you say that? Rely on it as household budget? What is that going to get you? Go foundation savers? Obviously you have never ever donated time for a thing in your life let alone your community, go ahead and prove me wrong I am sure you will! I would like to see you whine and cry when your insurance rates go up because there is no Fire Dept to help save your sorry rear when the worst happens, or when you need to be cut out of a car. Do any of you ever think about anything other than 'poor me'? "
to Annie wrote on Jun 19, 2008 10:12 AM:
" I don't think anyone is questioning whether the fireman are good guys. The question is whether they understand the term "volunteer". "
Annie wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:18 PM:
" The firefighters in West Salem are a great group and they should be commended for their efforts. Come on village leaders - lead. "
good question wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:13 PM:
" you see it when the pagers go off! 35 members show up and they all get their $18 per call pay. these guys count on this money as part of their household budgets! seriously! These guys should look up the word "volunteer" in the dictionary. It is something on the order of providing services without pay or compensation. Like other clubs and service organizations do. you can't predict fires so how do you budget for them? half the fire department budget is payroll already. Go Foundation Savers!!! like you think asking us for more money is going to fly... "
compensation wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:43 PM:
" Why is compensation even being brought up? While I agree $18 is not a lot of money for the time spent on calls. I think a volunteer department is manned by those that enjoy giving back to the community and helping others. If you go to pay per hour, how do you budget for it and whose to say that some don't "milk" the system? "