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Published - Tuesday, May 27, 2008

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Town stops private property work

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The town of Bangor will stop contracting work on private property after some residents raised questions of legality.

The town has had a long-standing practice of allowing its residents to pay for private use of town equipment, such as hauling rocks with a dump truck or grading with a road grader. However, at Monday’s meeting, the town board voted 2-1 to stop the doing work on private property — including plowing snow for the time being.

“We’re going to have to quit, and I feel bad about it,” said board Chair Kenneth Manke.

A few residents brought the matter before the board, stating state law does not allow municipalities to contract to do private work. Edmund “Butch” Knudtson said the town could face lawsuits from businesses that have services the town was offering; he said municipalities aren’t supposed to be competing with other businesses.

“Municipalities are not supposed to be doing private work because there are contractors and construction people out there,” said Knudtson, who served as a board supervisor 2001-05. “The town could get sued by a private contractor.”

In addition, Knudtson said the practice wasn’t fair to taxpayers.

“They’re wearing this equipment out, and there are people out there paying for this,” he said.

Manke said offering work on private property had been somewhat of a tradition in the township. He said town residents technically owned the equipment, so they should have a right to use it if they needed it.

“We’re only doing it as a favor,” Manke said. “These buildings that are on town land and the equipment that’s in them belong to the residents. Over the years ... the board thought that if there was any time they could help the constituents (of Bangor), they did.

“Yes, I know it’s illegal, and yes, I know we need to quit. I’d like to help out our constituents, but I guess we got to be hard asses.”

This isn’t the first time the board has discussed the matter. In 2004, the board reviewed the town’s practice and actually voted to stop offering work on private property. However, in 2005, following the spring elections, the board voted to again offer the service.

According to the Wisconsin Towns Association, state statutes do not authorize municipalities to offer work on private property except for removing dead animals, soil conservation and snow removal.

The vote on Monday put a moratorium on the town offering any kind of work on private property, including snow plowing, which some residents have relied upon. Manke said the board will look into snowplowing in more detail in the future.

Manke and town Supervisor Robert Manke voted in favor of stopping work on private property. Supervisor Larry Wuensch voted against the motion.

Town patrolman Doug Jerome, who is the main operator of town equipment, said the town would do work on private property about five or six times a year. Residents would pay $100 an hour for the grader to be used, and the town would charge $38 per 6-yard-load of gravel hauled.

Jerome said the town didn’t make much profit from the work.

“It wasn’t like we were running a business,” said Jerome, who has worked for the town for over 31 years. “It was a service for the people. We were fixing our own troubles.”
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Resident wrote on Jun 3, 2008 6:06 PM:

" So it is about nailing Doug? Thanks, you made my point! "

to resident wrote on Jun 3, 2008 8:49 AM:

" The Bangor tpwn patrolman make more money per hour than the county highway worker. He starts work maybe around 7:30 am, that means he might show up, not really do anything. Then about 8:30you can find him at Wehrs Oasis for two hours, you don't see county workers sitting in Wehrs Oasis resturant for two hours every morning then an hour and a half at the Log Cabin for lunch then quit at 2:00 pm. "

Resident wrote on Jun 2, 2008 11:03 AM:

" Lets call a spade a spade here. There are family ties between the complainer who dug this up and a local excavator who feels slighted. If it's illegal, then we need to stop doing it. But don't hide behind this legal argument when it's really a personal axe thats being ground. Butch had it in for Doug Jerome when he and Sam were going to change the world. He didn't get it done then, so he's getting it done now. Thanks Butch, now I'll have to call Nub's repeatedly just to get a load of gravel for my driveway!! "

farmru wrote on Jun 2, 2008 6:27 AM:

" Nope, never had the town equipment on my land. Used to get some gravel from the town, though. You say they don't know how to run things. If every government body was as fiscally responsible, we wouldn't have the federal debt that we do. New building and good equipment ALL paid for. Taxes are in line with other townships also. I don't see the problem. "

to farmru wrote on Jun 1, 2008 9:04 AM:

" You must be one of the guys getting the free or tax payer subsidised work done.
Why is it such a big deal to run the Town of
Bangor by state statutes? "

also a tax payer wrote on Jun 1, 2008 8:45 AM:

" you people that think you own the equipment only pay for a small portion of it in your taxes. When you have the town uses this equipment on your property the jop that's being done is being subsidised by the rest of the tax payers. and the town board knowing it was illegal to do this work should be fined! "

tax payer wrote on May 29, 2008 12:34 PM:

" that would be (police man)your talking about.patrol man is the person hired to maintian our rural roads. "

For your information wrote on May 29, 2008 12:07 PM:

" The Bangor Patrol car is used primarily to serve the VILLAGE of Bangor and the VILLAGE of Rockland. Calls to townships and etc are first handed to county cars and then if none are available handed to the Bangor car if it is not already taking care of another matter. Get your facts straight before you cut down our police. If you don't like how it works quit your poor me cr*p and run for the board! "

Froto wrote on May 29, 2008 11:08 AM:

" To hand in the cookie jar. Hey, Great reply. I love it. Be carefull when you move those buildings so they don't get damaged. You might want to employ the free help of the towns crew to help operate some of the equipment, be sure to offer the town at leat minimum wage for that so you cannot be accused of getting something for nothing. On the other hand you sound like you could actually start a business like a broker for the towns crew and equipment, charging the going rate the town would come out the winner here. Always amazing how little it takes to rile up the good citizens. Makes my day for sure. Thank you very much I enjoy it. "

Froto wrote on May 29, 2008 11:01 AM:

" Ironic, Sardonic, Sarcastic, Not bad, can you repeat that again and include the definitions for a dumb hick like me. Oh by the way I only tell the bubas to get their head out of wherever it might be, and as to critical thinking, you must be having a problem in that area or you would not get so upset. I love it you are so easy to goad. Sorry but this is my last reply, I have other fish to fry. :) LOL "

town of bangor tax payer wrote on May 29, 2008 10:00 AM:

" if i felt that i was the right person for the job i would.but i know what my capabilties are.it was nice to see that it was admitted that things on the board are not right.one problem is that the members are all self employed individuals,so it seems like alot of things are handled when ever,how ever,what ever we feel like.examples are-why is the town grader doing work out in the middle of the town clerks feild doing work,why is it that the patrolman is in the local resturant for breakfast befor i am and still in there when i leave.if anyone of these members worked at a job else where they would have been instantly unemployed.majority of this ridiculous news is brought on by them selves.enough said.. "

Im a tax payer also wrote on May 29, 2008 1:50 AM:

" In reference to the comments made by "town of bangor tax payer", I suggest YOU run for town board and fix all that you feel is broken. Or even better, why don't you go to school to be a police officer and put your life on the line to protect your community. It's quite obvious by your opinions that you could do a much better job... "

My hand.... wrote on May 28, 2008 4:23 PM:

" Almost forgot- LOL. "

My hand in the cookie jar wrote on May 28, 2008 4:20 PM:

" huh. Yeah, Geez, you got me. I did borrow the town's bobcat just last week because I wanted to move my barn to the other side of the yard. I was planning to move my house next week, but you caught me now. I guess I won't be able to use the backhoe either, to dig up that buried treasure someone told me was under the old outhouse. Maybe I can hire you to come and do it.
By the way, your mama should have told you to be more polite. She must have slipped up on that one. "

Well Froto wrote on May 28, 2008 4:13 PM:

" Do you tell everyone you disagree with to get their head out of the sand and try to learn :critical thinking" or whatever, if you're not angry? You must be a terrific person. Now THAT was SARCASTIC, slightly different from IR0NIC or SARDONIC, since you can't seem to pick up on what a writer is getting at. "

Froto wrote on May 28, 2008 9:50 AM:

" No Anger here, why are you so upset? I must have hit a sore spot, sorry about that. My Mamma always said that the the ones with their hands in the cookie jar scream the loudest. :)
And as the saying goes "Momma Knows Best" :)
LOL "

Hey Froto wrote on May 27, 2008 6:18 PM:

" While you are at it, maybe you could try to learn to recognize when a person is being "ironic" or perhaps "sardonic." It's in the dictionary. Look it up. "

Hey Froto wrote on May 27, 2008 6:11 PM:

" That WAS critical thinking! Didn't they teach you anything about ANGER MANAGEMENT in school? Perhaps that is something you could try to learn as an adult, once you pull your head out of ... well, wherever it is you have it. "

farmru wrote on May 27, 2008 11:01 AM:

" Someone who knows what they are doing? Oh, like the idiot who was on the board a few yrs ago that was going to change the world. Some things have ran just fine, but someone new always thinks they know more than the rest. "

town of bangor tax payer wrote on May 27, 2008 9:30 AM:

" i have seen a circus of clowns perform more organized then our patrolman and our elected board members(representives) ever do.if they can not get up to speed in todays world then they should step aside and let someone that knows what they are doing in there and stop making the town of bangor residents look like idiots!!!!! "

Froto wrote on May 27, 2008 9:10 AM:

" You need to look at the whole picture not just this isolated incident. The Law works is the macro world not the micro world, else it would create more problems than it solves. The towns could selectively put private contracting enterprises out of business, since they have the power of the tax dollar at their disposal. They can undercut the pricing of private business. I'm not just talking of big business but of the the many one person businesses that have one bobcat or one dump truck and make a living off of it. These are the individuals that would be hurt and they pay taxes also. So get your head out of the sand and figure out and learn something you should have been taught in school or self taught as you reach adulthood and that is "CRITICAL THINKING" The current board in this town is looking to do the best but what about down the road and all the wis.towns in the future? "

Let me get this straight wrote on May 25, 2008 11:43 AM:

" So, the residents pay the taxes that pay for the equipment, but if they need something done, they have to go pay a contractor because otherwise the contractor can sue if the resident uses equipment he paid for in the first place. Nice. "

town of bangorresident wrote on May 23, 2008 8:40 AM:

" Its too bad that things can't be done town by town anymore! The town residents are paying for the equipment and services, so whats the big deal? Thanks Ken for tring to keep the town of bangor residents happy! "


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